Canon 30D

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:24 pm

It's official...

Canon Site

DPReview

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:31 pm

Looks pretty cool. I mean, it'll take exactly the same pictures as the 20D and Rebel XT, but it looks pleasant to use.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:33 pm

Thanks for the link....

I was expecting a 10MP to match up with the D200

anyway I roughly read the Review and seems to me its close to the 350D....

I need to read more when I get home....

Cheers =)

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:39 pm

I'd try to edit my first post but somehow the edit button is not there anymore....

anyway it's good to see that this 30D has a magnesium Clad Body and not sure though if this is a weather sealed, if it is then its going to be pretty good =)

Premium Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 5758

adorski wrote:

I was expecting a 10MP to match up with the D200

The D200's knock is noise at high ISOs. That's probably what happens with the cropped sensors. The speculation is that Canon won't make a higher res 1.6x camera than 8 MP until at least this fall when the DIGIC-3 processor comes out.

adorski wrote:

anyway I roughly read the Review and seems to me its close to the 350D....

That's not really accurate -- it's nearly the exact same camera as the 20D, but incorporating a lot of user-based suggestions. Probably the biggest changes are the new autofocus system (same as the 5D), better spot-metering, bigger LCD, and the faster frame rate. It will be a good camera for pros (just as the 20D has been). The 350D is a lot like the 20D as you've pointed out, but to keep it a consumer camera there are many compromises: build quality, autofocus mechanism, fps, and ergonomics, to name a few. The 350D is really meant to be a competitor to the D70, and Canon's competitor to the D50 will be this theoretical "3000D", which will be a $500 SLR that comes out this fall.

There won't really be an answer for the D200 by Canon, but I think they're banking on two points: The 30D (like the 20D) isn't answered by a Nikon camera in the same price range (remember that the 30D is $600 cheaper than the D200) and there is nothing at all like the 5D out there.

As for my own take on things, I'm a bit disappointed, because I'm looking to upgrade in the reasonable future, and I don't feel like spending $1100 on a camera that doesn't have any miraculous new additions. It will fill the same niche as the 20D, however, which has become a staple of wedding photographers and a backup body for many 5D and 1D-series toting pros, and for 300D / 10D users itching to upgrade it will be an attractive camera. I think Canon finally decided to set the bar in the megapixel war, and they won't push a 12 MP camera on consumers until a new sensor comes out. Makes sense if it's true.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:29 pm

I have to admit that there's enough in the 30D for me to consider it, particularly over the 2.5X more expensive 5D, though that is a nicer camera. The addition of the spot metering, the 1/3 stop ISO increments, and the RGB histogram are just a few things that make it nice (plus all those things about the 20D that improve upon my 300D). I have been feeling somewhat limited by my 300D lately, and I've been debating whether to go all out for the 5D, or stick with the Canon 1.6 crop and have some extra money for a new lens and a new printer (2200 or 2400). Of course, I'm also considering picking up a 20D for less than a grand as well.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:25 pm

As I said I roughly read the whole review (due to excitement) but one thing I notice though

drpablo74 wrote:

I think they're banking on two points: The 30D (like the 20D) isn't answered by a Nikon camera in the same price range (remember that the 30D is $600 cheaper than the D200)

Not true Sorry Paul but as I can see in Dpreview the 30D is price as (Body only) US: $ 1,399 while the D200 is Price as $1,699

bottom line is... I think this is better (or Bad) for us all photographer since the pace of the Camera Technology is coming really fast and giant Company like Canon and Nikon get into a competition and we benefit from it (I dunno if that is bad or good)

Anyways Cheers to all Canon User =)
I'm glad they don't wait too long for it....

Premium Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 5758

Tha 17-55 f/2.8 IS makes the 1.6 crops considerably more attractive (assuming that the price on them drops).

But there will supposedly be another Canon full framer later this year at Photokina, the putative Canon 3D, which will either be a cheaper version of the 5D or a more expensive one (thereby driving down the 5D price).

There are indeed a few things in the 20D / 30D that attract me -- I think 8 MP is considerably better than 6 MP when it comes to enlarging cropped images, whereas the best 4x5 ratio I can get on the 300D is 5 megapixels. The autofocus and ETTL-2 would be very nice as well. And the most important is the noise control in the 20D (and 350D). But it's just not worth $1k for these features. I'd rather spend $1k on a good lens -- I've been gawking at the 24mm TS-E f/3.5L for a long time, for instance, and the 16-35 f/2.8L would be another great addition (that would translate to a wild super-wide if I ever go full frame). The 100-400 L would be another great addition, or maybe I could upgrade the 70-200 f/4L to a 2.8L IS, or maybe even splurge on the 135 f/2L. So many possibilities. The 30D isn't yanking at my purse strings the way the lenses are.

Premium Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 5758

adorski wrote:

Not true Sorry Paul but as I can see in Dpreview the 30D is price as (Body only) US: $ 1,399 while the D200 is Price as $1,699

They were quoting $1100 for the body over at fred miranda based on the Euro price (as quoted on Canon's Spanish page).

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:40 pm

drpablo74 wrote:

They were quoting $1100 for the body over at fred miranda based on the Euro price (as quoted on Canon's Spanish page).

If that the case "Wow" That's great more cheaper than the Canon 20D

Do you guys think that the 20D will drop on price?
I have a friend (Canon User) who want to upgrade from Canon 300D to 20D and I told him the news about the news release of 30D (and he was so excited) and told him to wait and see what's gonna happen on the market...

Premium Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 5758

I'd imagine they'll discontinue the 20D. No point -- the 30D is just a 20D with all the kinks worked out.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:52 pm

You know, if you google "30D," you get a lot of links to bras.

Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 51 Location: Cary, IL

wow when is the release date i was gonna get a 20d but im thinking i should wait.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:12 pm

I think the 30D makes the gulf between the xxD level cameras and the 350D more apparent - with the exception of the better-on-paper AF system of the 20D, the 20D and 350D had almost exactly the same features. It seems the 30D is basically the same as a 5D but with an APS-C sized sensor.

This is a pretty attractive little package - basically with all the professional-level features now, but with a small sensor. Despite that I'm not going to upgrade to it. My 350D is really nice, not even a year old, and I have no real need for the extra features of the 30D even if they would be nice. I could go on a sweet vacation for that much money :)

Premium Member Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 5758

walter23 wrote:

It seems the 30D is basically the same as a 5D but with an APS-C sized sensor.

APS-C sized and less than 2/3 of the pixel resolution, but you're basically right. I think it illustrates how overpriced is the 5D when you think about it in these terms. $2000 extra for 12.8 MP full frame versus 8.2 MP APS-C. But their pixel density has to be fairly identical, which would hopefully keep the 30D at the low noise level of the 5D.