About to Purchase, Can't Make up my mind!!!!!!!

Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 70

pretty new to this and im about to take the pluge!

Cannon rebel XT
Nikon D50

going cheap on both with kit lens....

both feel just fine in my hands, cant notice a huge difference... have no glass for either and have to buy memory either way.

99% of my photo's will be of Remote Control Airplanes, semi fast moving, and need to get a desecent zoom lens eventually.

THANKS

JOe

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:10 pm

Rebel XT all the way baby!!

Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 70

hahaha... 3 to 3..... this isnt helping! lol....

maybe i should just flip a coin? go for what i can get cheaper?

do either ones have better priced lens's in the future? or more options for glass?

THANKS

jOe

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:38 am

The D50 comes with a better lens although it will not be suitable for R/C photography. BTW I have flown R/C for 30 years.

Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 70

cool deal.. what do you do RC? im mostly into sailplanes now... check my website out sometimes... gliders over 300mph now..

www.slopeaddiction.com

Could you suggest a mid level quality lens with a good speed auto focus? id appreciate it..

JOe

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:36 am

I fly FAI class Pattern and unlimited class IMAC. I have dabbled in sailplanes for a short time.

As for lenses, any good guality lens will work. On the Nikon D50 the 70-300ED would work just fine.

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Montreal

ask yourself this question... which company puts the most money in R&D?

when you buy your first body, you buy into a system, once you've purchased 2 or 3 lenses.... you are now a slave to this system as you would not want to lose all that money in switching.... so it's ALL about the glass and little about the body.

in a market where Canon outsells nikon at 80to1 (rebel vs d50) the question is pretty easy to answer

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:21 am

GilP wrote:

ask yourself this question... which company puts the most money in R&D?

when you buy your first body, you buy into a system, once you've purchased 2 or 3 lenses.... you are now a slave to this system as you would not want to lose all that money in switching.... so it's ALL about the glass and little about the body.

in a market where Canon outsells nikon at 80to1 (rebel vs d50) the question is pretty easy to answer

Wow..Does Canon pay you good money for an ad like that?

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Montreal

ChrisL wrote:

GilP wrote:

ask yourself this question... which company puts the most money in R&D?

when you buy your first body, you buy into a system, once you've purchased 2 or 3 lenses.... you are now a slave to this system as you would not want to lose all that money in switching.... so it's ALL about the glass and little about the body.

in a market where Canon outsells nikon at 80to1 (rebel vs d50) the question is pretty easy to answer

Wow..Does Canon pay you good money for an ad like that?

hehehe, I'm a member of Fotokina, and every trimester the global sales number are posted in the new letter... it's just reality!

Nikon was long the only respectable glass on the market (aside from some eclectic names like Ziess, angenieux ans such) but as the Canon corp grew...so did their R&D budgets...and at some point, some Canon CEO said...ok, lets "terminate" Nikon... if you look at market releases... every Nikon offering as been match by a cheaper, better canon one....and in the glass department... well let's just say that the product lineup speaks for itself.

the last great Bastion for Nikon is the News Papers...simply because most news paper already own most of their glass and several bodies under the Nikon Brand.

Don't get me wrong, I am not stating that Canon is better than Nikon, I am saying that factualy, canon is leading the market in each category...and leading by a lot.

Nikon also made a major "political faux-pas" when they decided that they would not supply Adobe with the code for their NEF format...this forces the users to either PURCHASE their software (which is free with any canon camera) or to use the Adobe decoder...and take their chances with color issues. Adobe as in fact declared war on nikon with the developpement of the DNG format (the next big thing).

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:21 pm

One of the thing I choose Nikon is because of the Lens mount. Nikon never change its lens Mount "F Mount" in the last 50 years or so, means if you have an old lenses you can still use it with the new body, so if you decide to invest in some lenses you don't have to worry about using your old lenses to a new Camera body i don't know about Canon but for what I hear there are different kind of mount of lenses that some lenses will not work with other bodies (except of course if you buy an adapter). another thing is the crop factor , Canon has 1.6x while nikon has 1.5x factor which mean better for the Nikon.

So if you ask me (I'm a Nikon Fan) I will just tell you what I know about Nikon and my experience with it is great, I don't have any knowledge about Canon so I can't say anything good or Bad about it. My reason to be a Nikon Fan? My Dad equipment, most of them that are still working up to this date are all Nikon. some of them he bought it in the late 60s are still working (no need for battery) fully manual he also have this Nikkormat Camera body that he still use on his Photo Studio up to this date.

PS: I'm not saying that other brand are bad this of course are based only on my own experiences.
Also may I add my elder brother bought his Nikon Camera in Europe in 1983 and up to this date the Camera are still working fine (All of this experience are based on a Film Camera I don't know about Digital yet). and also may I add I never get paid to advertised one brand from the other I'm just sharing my experience with it.

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Montreal

adorski wrote:

One of the thing I choose Nikon is because of the Lens mount. Nikon never change its lens Mount "F Mount" in the last 50 years or so, means if you have an old lenses you can still use it with the new body, so if you decide to invest in some lenses you don't have to worry about using your old lenses to a new Camera body i don't know about Canon but for what I hear there are different kind of mount of lenses that some lenses will not work with other bodies (except of course if you buy an adapter). another thing is the crop factor , Canon has 1.6x while nikon has 1.5x factor which mean better for the Nikon.

So if you ask me (I'm a Nikon Fan) I will just tell you what I know about Nikon and my experience with it is great, I don't have any knowledge about Canon so I can't say anything good or Bad about it. My reason to be a Nikon Fan? My Dad equipment, most of them that are still working up to this date are all Nikon. some of them he bought it in the late 60s are still working (no need for battery) fully manual he also have this Nikkormat Camera body that he still use on his Photo Studio up to this date.

PS: I'm not saying that other brand are bad this of course are based only on my own experiences.
Also may I add my elder brother bought his Nikon Camera in Europe in 1983 and up to this date the Camera are still working fine (All of this experience are based on a Film Camera I don't know about Digital yet). and also may I add I never get paid to advertised one brand from the other I'm just sharing my experience with it.

all true, BUT your old lenses may mate with your new body BUT they won't focus or give accurate metering info... right? so this point is a bit mute.

as for the crop factor....well that depends on the model since Canon makes NO crop Full Frame bodies (1dsMkII and 5d)... while nikon ONLY makes 1.5crops...even in it's flagship model... Like I said, it's just a sad reality that Nikon has trouble keeping up with Canon inovations due to larger revenu... think about this... the 300d sold at a rate of 30 000copies PER MONTH for the first 15months of it's release!!!

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:27 pm

GilP wrote:

all true, BUT your old lenses may mate with your new body BUT they won't focus or give accurate metering info... right? so this point is a bit mute.

the point is you can still use old lenses with a new camera Body as for metering and bracketing this is where you use a Light Meter to get accurate number. and you don't have to worry about which lens I cannot use and which one will work? since Nikon never changed it's mount while with Canon they have a different Mount of lens that one lens will not work with the other one (unless you have to buy an adapter which will add up a space between the glass and the camera).

*Edited* Oh! and BTW we are talking about Canon Rebel Xt with 1.6x Crop Factor Against Nikon D50 with a 1.5X crop Factor
not the 1DSMark II which is $7,249.00 neither the Canon EOS 5D full frame which is also a $3,299.00 body only ;-)

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:34 pm

GilP wrote:

ChrisL wrote:

GilP wrote:

ask yourself this question... which company puts the most money in R&D?

when you buy your first body, you buy into a system, once you've purchased 2 or 3 lenses.... you are now a slave to this system as you would not want to lose all that money in switching.... so it's ALL about the glass and little about the body.

in a market where Canon outsells Nikon at 80to1 (rebel vs d50) the question is pretty easy to answer

Wow..Does Canon pay you good money for an ad like that?

hehehe, I'm a member of Fotokina, and every trimester the global sales number are posted in the new letter... it's just reality!

Nikon was long the only respectable glass on the market (aside from some eclectic names like Ziess, angenieux ans such) but as the Canon corp grew...so did their R&D budgets...and at some point, some Canon CEO said...ok, lets "terminate" Nikon... if you look at market releases... every Nikon offering as been match by a cheaper, better canon one....and in the glass department... well let's just say that the product lineup speaks for itself.

the last great Bastion for Nikon is the News Papers...simply because most news paper already own most of their glass and several bodies under the Nikon Brand.

Don't get me wrong, I am not stating that Canon is better than Nikon, I am saying that factualy, canon is leading the market in each category...and leading by a lot.

Nikon also made a major "political faux-pas" when they decided that they would not supply Adobe with the code for their NEF format...this forces the users to either PURCHASE their software (which is free with any canon camera) or to use the Adobe decoder...and take their chances with color issues. Adobe as in fact declared war on nikon with the developpement of the DNG format (the next big thing).

Oh hum yet another my brand is better then yours thread!

Simple fact is no one brand is better then the other, no one MFG’s glass is better. Yes some of their lenses are spectacular and some are just plain worthless (this includes some L’s) but this can be said for every mfg. Canon is leading the parade in the DSLR market because yes they have more $$$$ for R&D. I shot Canon for 20 years before switching to Nikon and I honestly will never buy another Canon body but I also would probably never buy another Nikon body as well.

If this continues in a my brand is better then yours this thread will be locked.

Zealots go home!:-)

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Montreal

ChrisL wrote:

GilP wrote:

ChrisL wrote:

GilP wrote:

ask yourself this question... which company puts the most money in R&D?

when you buy your first body, you buy into a system, once you've purchased 2 or 3 lenses.... you are now a slave to this system as you would not want to lose all that money in switching.... so it's ALL about the glass and little about the body.

in a market where Canon outsells Nikon at 80to1 (rebel vs d50) the question is pretty easy to answer

Wow..Does Canon pay you good money for an ad like that?

hehehe, I'm a member of Fotokina, and every trimester the global sales number are posted in the new letter... it's just reality!

Nikon was long the only respectable glass on the market (aside from some eclectic names like Ziess, angenieux ans such) but as the Canon corp grew...so did their R&D budgets...and at some point, some Canon CEO said...ok, lets "terminate" Nikon... if you look at market releases... every Nikon offering as been match by a cheaper, better canon one....and in the glass department... well let's just say that the product lineup speaks for itself.

the last great Bastion for Nikon is the News Papers...simply because most news paper already own most of their glass and several bodies under the Nikon Brand.

Don't get me wrong, I am not stating that Canon is better than Nikon, I am saying that factualy, canon is leading the market in each category...and leading by a lot.

Nikon also made a major "political faux-pas" when they decided that they would not supply Adobe with the code for their NEF format...this forces the users to either PURCHASE their software (which is free with any canon camera) or to use the Adobe decoder...and take their chances with color issues. Adobe as in fact declared war on nikon with the developpement of the DNG format (the next big thing).

Oh hum yet another my brand is better then yours thread!

Simple fact is no one brand is better then the other, no one MFG’s glass is better. Yes some of their lenses are spectacular and some are just plain worthless (this includes some L’s) but this can be said for every mfg. Canon is leading the parade in the DSLR market because yes they have more $$$$ for R&D. I shot Canon for 20 years before switching to Nikon and I honestly will never buy another Canon body but I also would probably never buy another Nikon body as well.

If this continues in a my brand is better then yours this thread will be locked.

Zealots go home!:-)

No, not at all... My partner (the other P in P&P) uses the D2x and it's a wonderful unit! The basic comment was that the choice of a brand has to be based on where that brand (and the user) will be in 5years... bodies can be upgraded but if you buy a few thousand dollars worth of glass...you will need to stay with that brand or loose a lot of money in a bulk sale. it's not about what is better in the least..sometimes what is better is not what is best.

Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 70

what about the battery recal by nikon... does that include the d50?

JOe